Xem mã nguồn của Thảo luận:Life And Death Are Inherent To Each Other

[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)Life in this material world is an opportunity for the living person to gather the much needed experiences, feelings, compassion and knowledge for his/her spirit to evolve/develop, along with the "interconnections" being establish by such attributes amongst the Conscious and Sub-conscious via the 6th and very seldom 7th senses....which in turn also "interconnects' with all the previous personalities of pass re-incarnations of that particular person.

Thus, as a living individual, each stands on a "podium" of sorts, the interface between the non-material and material realms of Creational energy, a balance between the positive and negative forces that shape how his/her world for the better or worst accordingly to Creational Laws...that also applies to those in other realms that have "interconnectivity" to these beings.

Therefore one should take the opportunity to fully enhance their life with attributes that promote Creational harmony/balance....then fear of Death is no longer an issue...for the it is then a much needed rest....to continue.

[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)“With Death all knowledge and all assets/abilities as well as all '''potentials''' - which were accumulated by the personality through thoughts and feelings as well as by actions and emotions and so on - are thus stored and definitively deposited in the memory banks/storage banks,”

There appears to be a translation change from the (Sep 21 2009) in which “possibilities” was changed to “potentials”. That being the case will have huge ramifications to consider regarding the Plejaren’s mission towards Earth humans and correcting the Uncreational interferences responsible for such degenerations and stagnation of numerous spiritual forms being “short circuited” from their true “potentials”. 

By combining this concept (or in this case, “inter-connections” to the below statement, hopefully one will logically determine what the term “equational potentials” are about. I’ve tried to explain this on several occasions, but have only recently connected the “missing” parts until now.


“Even if the human commits suicide, she/he does not possess any power over it, for by the self killing (suicide) she/he avoids only the real time, which is fixed by Death.”

Suicide, as described by BEAM means to “short circuit” the time frame in which Death was scheduled. Thus one can conclude that the manipulation of the ageing gene also constitutes “suicide” by the Creator Overlords. A deliberate Uncreational violation to deny the ancestors of Earth humans to this day the necessary life cycle of 350-450 years. Earth humans and their spirit forms are denied “exponentially 3-4 life times” of the necessary evolutionary experience and knowledge to evolve.

Therefore, their “equational potentials” have been short circuited and condemned as “suicidal” humans. However, there here lies a dilemma for those higher evolved beings, they can either assist through logical reasoning, or be faced with the risk one day soon that someone may find the “key” to their “equational potentials” and wreak havoc in both the material and non-material realms of existence.

One has to consider the various re-incarnations of each individual and also the various hybrid races as each are interconnected via the memory banks and 6th/7th senses. A very potent force indeed
== Alive said ... ==

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"Therefore committing suicide becomes a fact of destruction and of cowardly escape from life and from the perception of the responsibility, facing life and vis-à-vis to/facing death."

How about self-euthanasia done by a heavily wounded man who knows he will be dead in an hour? He commits suicide to stop the tormenting pain. Does not it show his responsibility of taking care of himself?

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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These are just my opinions: 

- Alive and dead are the states of one's body, not one's spirit, since his spirit is always on.
 
- After the death of the body the spirit will hybernate, and after the reincarnation the spirit will be active again. 

- The spirit is always on and always consumes Creation's energy, whether in hybernation time or in active time.

- I do not know what Creation's energy is and I want go to bed now.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Life and death are the organic components of evolution. Ego perfects himself through many lives, through his experiences as various personalities with alternating thoughts and feelings, alternating pros and cons, alternating friends and foes, alternating loyalties and treacheries. Transition from one life to the next life can only happen if his spirit hybernates for awhile (several seconds, several days, several millenia, what have you). The transition can only happen through a death. In death time (hybernation time) his spirit refreshes itself and prepares itself to return to material realm, so the Ego could continue his effort to perfect himself. Ego needs many deaths as much as he needs many lives. It is no wonder that he cherishes his deaths as bright as he cherishes his lives.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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It just accrossed my mind some minutes ago. If in this year (2011) Gilgamesh would be dead on this planet at the age of 50,000, his spirit would be in hybernation state for about 75,000 years. His new personality would be born in the year 77,011 when many things have been better on Earth. If his new personality could access his personal storage, which contains fantastic informations from his previous life, he could become a king again while he is still a teenager. He is a lucky monster.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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My second thought. Gilgamesh's new personality, who will be a non-shapeshifter Earth human, would find it very difficult to understand the informations he gets from his storage because the informations were stored while he was living as an extraterrestrial shapeshifter. He could get some mental images of his kingship in the past life but could not understand them well and use them for his advantages. His chance to become a king again is not big.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 18:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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"Therefore death should never be pushed aside, but should rather be recognized/understood as a friend/comrade for a onwards-life in the hereafter/the great beyond."

Only the death could give the Ego an opportunity to return and perfect himself in the next life. From his present life's point of view the death is the end, but from his future life's point of view the death is the start. Recognizing the importance of death and pondering about it over and over would give the Ego some insights to prepare his future deaths and also his future lives.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 04:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Alive said ... ==

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"If the human thinks about death, then in a certain way an uneasiness strikes him at first, from which he becomes restless, because she/he believes to recognize and to perceive something threatening at the beginning of her/his thoughts and feelings about death."

Human's anxiety of death is a social product (social construct). Human thinks that death is something threatening because he was taught (by his parents, teachers, preachers) that he will be judged (by God or Devil or Spiderman) in the afterlife and will get punishments for the sins he commited in his life, such as stealing, lying, killing, making fun of sacred texts, denying the holiness of the preachers, refusing to pray, and so on (it is not clear whether masturbating should be categorized as a sin or not). Fear of death is something natural, but anxiety of it is something social.

The anxiety of death have been taught to the Earth children generation after generation by religious organizations using schools and families, with or without state's support. Studies on death have been suppressed or banned because religious organizations have concluded that the death is God's mystery which human should not ponder about because it could make human think that there is no God.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 17:45, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
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== Carsch said ... ==

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Hmm, some of us can know for sure when we will die. Well, i am myself intuitive and i have on accoasions felt/sensed what was to happen to me the next hours, days and even next year. 

--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 01:50, 10 July 2011 (BST)
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== Carsch said ... ==

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I agree with most everything you say, Alive. However, i’ll say this: stored information is accessible to all and everyone regardless of whether you have experienced the knowledge or information you need or are seeking. The thing to remember is that we are all ONE with Consciousness. Everyone’s personal experiences are contributing to the whole of Consciousness (consciousness being the action of Creation itself). Thus not only you can access your information, but all of us are naturally and continually accessing everyone else’s stored information as a contribution to the whole and to the expansion of Consciousness. 

On another note, if choosing to consciously connect  with any of the information existing within Consciousness (astral travel,  hypnoses, or some other means), to some of us, it becomes a matter of how you translate this information which makes any difference. 


--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 02:27, 10 July 2011 (BST)
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== Alive said ... ==

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Hi Carsch,

Where did you get the information that someone could access someone else's storage bank? If someone accesses my storage I will call it bank robbery. It is the most dirty crime and should be punished immediately without waiting a court's decision.

--[[User:Alive|-- M --]] 06:12, 12 July 2011 (BST)
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== Carsch said ... ==

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LOL Alive, there is nothing to hide. We all share that which exists within Consciousness - because we are ONE with it. What you think of as your privacy is only steaming from your personal beliefs. All is being shared even when you don't think it's happening. In fact, you are already using part of what others have learned and accumulated through their own personal experiences. Much of our inspiration ideas comes from that.

--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 06:35, 13 July 2011 (BST)
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== Carsch said ... ==

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By the way, the Pleiadeans (among other people and individuals) are able to tap into that pool of information, for they can know your past, present, and future probabilites and everything else you've done. So why would you want to punish them? :D

--[[User:Carsch|Carsch]] 06:56, 13 July 2011 (BST)
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== Sunshine said ... ==

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Hi Adam,
Nice little translation. I just would like to make a couple of suggestions for improvement if I may:
- sich mit dem dem Tod befassen (second paragraph) means to deal with it, to concern yourself with it.
- Jenseits = the other world, and Jenseitsbereich = realm of the other world (figu dict)
- "wahrnehmung der Verantwordung" (two typos). It is spelled 'Wahrnehmung der Verantwortung', which means 'to exercise/recognise ones responsibility'. So the translation should be:'Therefore committing suicide becomes a fact of destruction and of cowardly escape from life and from the exercising of ones responsibility towards life and towards death.'
- "Dies ist jedoch keine Todesbegleitung, sondern nur eine Sterbebegleitung,..." = This is not death-care but rather only terminal care/end-of-life care (there's no escort agency involved here! ;-))
- überdauern ´perpetuate (figu dict)

Kind regards and Salome,
Vibka

--[[User:Sunshine|Sunshine]] ([[User talk:Sunshine|talk]]), Australia,  11:12, 22 July 2013 (CEST)
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== Sunshine said ... ==

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Hi Alive,
You said: "How about self-euthanasia done by a heavily wounded man who knows he will be dead in an hour? He commits suicide to stop the tormenting pain. Does not it show his responsibility of taking care of himself?". I would say in that circumstance he only cares about his material body and takes a cowardly way out of life. Taking an early exit to avoid the suffering increases the chances of the new personality in the next life having to suffer in a similar circumstance. So my understanding is, if I bravely endure the suffering in this life, a box is ticked in the big list of things we have to experience in order to get to a life without body, which means, that hopefully the suffering in the next life will be lesser.
I don't think the ego perfects itself in many life times. If I remember correctly, we have a new personality/ego in every life, which serves the learning and evolution of the spirit consciousness...

--[[User:Sunshine|Sunshine]] ([[User talk:Sunshine|talk]]),  11:27, 22 July 2013 (CEST)
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== Allah. said ... ==

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Hi Vibka Walder,

I just want to let you know that Alive and Dead had gone through the great process of becoming and fading away (Werden und Vergehen). They are not what they were. They have become new personalities with no memory of their past. So they will no longer reply any message concerning their opinions in this website. 

--[[User:Allah.|Allah.]] ([[User talk:Allah.|talk]]), Endless Desert,  10:15, 23 July 2013 (CEST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Allah please reveal thyself.

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] ([[User talk:Jamesm|talk]]),  20:45, 23 July 2013 (CEST)
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== Allah. said ... ==

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Bingo !

--[[User:Allah.|Allah.]] ([[User talk:Allah.|talk]]),  Endless Desert,  04:18, 24 July 2013 (CEST)
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== Jamesm said ... ==

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Vibka thanks for your corrections. I have applied them to the article. Please can you confirm that they are the intended ones? Would you like to have edit permissions on all articles? I would grant it you as I know your honesty and ability at translations are undeniable.

--[[User:Jamesm|Jamesm]] ([[User talk:Jamesm|talk]]),  17:55, 24 July 2013 (CEST)
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== Sunshine said ... ==

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Allah, it doesn't matter, whether anyone replies to my comments or not. I have done it for the benefit of future readers, trying to stop the teaching from being falsified...
James, thank you for your offering me permission to edit articles, because it would make it easier if I stumble across something. But don't expect much input from me, as my priority is our correction work here in Australia. 
I have noticed that you have made some changes to this one, but that you missed others. There is no such thing as a death-escort or dying escort. Sterbebegleitung is simply called 'terminal care' or 'end-of-life care'.
Salome,
Vibka

--[[User:Sunshine|Sunshine]] ([[User talk:Sunshine|talk]]),  21:28, 27 July 2013 (CEST)
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== LorisHemlof said ... ==

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one alternative is you should think positivly (and truthfully) about the future. 

--[[User:LorisHemlof|LorisHemlof]] ([[User talk:LorisHemlof|talk]]),  21:41, 1 August 2013 (CEST)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Recommend one should strive to interface and communicate with both of their material and non-material attributes so that they become b-e-I-n-g in creational endeavors instead of just living their daily life walking about like zombies trying to keep that needle balanced in the neutral zone with no regard to the world around them.

--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] ([[User talk:Barbarian216|talk]]), Ring Nebula,  17:51, 2 August 2013 (CEST)
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== Allah. said ... ==

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I am sorry for my inaccuracy. I should have translated "Werden und Vergehen" as "becoming and waning", not "becoming and fading away". 

--[[User:Allah.|Allah.]] ([[User talk:Allah.|talk]]),  Endless Desert,  17:47, 12 August 2013 (CEST)
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