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Marcel Vogel's independent scientific analysis of this metal/crystal sample created by the Plejaren only proves to the ignorant fellow scientists and others in denial, that advanced entities like the Plejarens exists who travel throughout the universe(s) with technology beyond Earth's ability to create or to admit it exists.

Egotistic stupidity from his fellow scientists are but the least discriptive for those denying such evidence, who should know better. There are more logical explanations to those trying to suppress this and other valid proof that BEAM, through the Plejaren and other races have presented. That is to maintain the "status quo", keeping those in power while manipulating the masses that "hungry" for the truth that lies within each, but are subjected to political and religious oppression, along with their ignorance too.
== CriticalThinker said ... ==

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It's very convenient that the metal alloy samples were "lost" and now cannot be independently studied.

This whole Meier case stinks.

--[[User:CriticalThinker|CriticalThinker]] 13:19, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Zameen said ... ==

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criticalthinker. you mean that the initial analysis done by Marcel Vogel isnt enough? do you need to have it stored in the smithsonian?  just because you havent wrapped your grubby little mitts around doesnt mean they're not real. and like James mentioned on another one of your silly ramblings, dont you think that if that was real cold fusion based metal alloy that some of these black op and cia cats would want it? huh? people like you do as much to corroborate and expand the depth of truth in this case as the supporters. so thanks for that. and dont forget to wash your hands after you eat your nutty buddy kid.

--[[User:Zameen|Zameen]] 17:49, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
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[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 20:36, 20 February 2011 (UTC)Why do you take the name of “CriticalThinker”, yet you provide very little if any valid logical comments to back up your “critical” thinking, other than pasting some link (which I doubt very much you had any direct input) then come to a conclusion by simple one-sentence “analysis”?

Which amounts to nothing but some spectator point of view, grandstanding outside of the arena where the action is and proclaiming “I told you so”? You have NOT provided the necessary points to back up your claims and as others have noticed, appear childish, immature and very unprofessional.

As Zameen pointed out, why do degenerated individuals like you even post here without making much logical sense, for Marcel Vogel’s detailed spectrum analysis of this metallic/crystal are stored at the lab for verification. Did you even look at it before coming to your “CriticalThinking” conclusion?

He speaks about structures within structures that are bonded, yet remain distinctly unique. In other words, the sample appears to have even rare elements NOT found naturally and only discovered by Earth scientists recently (thulium) doing atomic research! Thus, the only plausible method of creating such material which preserves such distinctiveness (as we currently know) is through cold fusion. To create such a material of these characteristics ARE BEYOND current Earth scientific knowledge!

That is one of the primary problems for those who always seek further conformations on topics that they don’t understand because the subject matter requires “critical thinking”, which is severely lacking in your case. So do yourself a favor, stop abusing that name you so “conveniently” use or start utilizing your logical mindset to back it up!

The Plejarens probably “recovered” that sample as to prevent unauthorized access to it by unscrupulous agencies (and there are many on Earth) who would gladly want to get a hold of it in order to derive its secrets for evil purposes. And also, the primary purpose of “allowing” Marcel Vogel the opportunity to analyze this metal sample is to support the validity of Billy Meier’s mission, NOT to give additional technical access.


== RemRobinson said ... ==

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This is for anyone who thinks Marcel Vogel was not a real person, or whoever thinks he didn't know what he was talking about by saying he never had any patents. Each second link goes straight to  the U.S. Patent Office website and shows the original photocopy of each patent.

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--[[User:RemRobinson|RemRobinson]] 17:54, 28 June, 2011 (MST)
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==

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That metal is Aluminum and not Thulium. The EDS spectrum that Vogel shows corresponds to Aluminum with traces of Silver (see reference below). Thulium has a strong band at 1.462 KeV. This is very close to the Aluminum strong band at 1.486 KeV and without the "secondary bands" as Vogel himself noted.
I have experience with EDS X-Ray in Scanning Electron Microscopy; it is easy to confuse elements and, since there are no secondary bands, the metal is the very common element Aluminum and not the rare Thulium.
I'm surprise that in almost 30 years nobody noticed the mistake Vogel made in his analysis.
Reference: The "Thulium" Spectrum is shown at time mark 8:44 of the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4koTWaohZxc&feature=related . Again, that is Aluminum with traces of Silver and not Thulium.

--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 19:18, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
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== Gerswin2002 said ... ==

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"for Marcel Vogel’s detailed spectrum analysis of this metallic/crystal are stored at the lab for verification. "

Could you please post the name of the Lab and its location where these analysis are stored? I want to see this analysis. 

--[[User:Gerswin2002|Gerswin2002]] 01:38, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
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== Hawaiian said ... ==

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Thanks for the updated report James, Vogel also mentions that the other elements besides Thulium displayed unusual purity without any secondary bands including another rare element called Rhenium, in addition of being bonded together without any traces of ash or gas bubbles which only indicates some form of artificial cold fusion process done in a vacuum. There even are traces of micro-machining and laser manipulation on the rare element Thulium!

Also the electron valence properties of the crystalline structures have been artificially modified so that the electrons, which normally accumulate at the 6 end points of the crystal and create a space or bubbles, are NON-Existent! Meaning that the crystals are themselves highly conductive. At 2000x magnification the sub-structures within these crystals could be seen that are arranged in spiral build up, equally spaced along the ends of the sub-particles without any trace of impurities between them!

If this further evidence is not convincing for the debunkers who will try in vain to “prove” such a material can and do exist “normally” here on Earth, then maybe they should check themselves in to have their heads examined for delusions?


--[[User:Barbarian216|Hawaiian]] 22:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
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